jc: Korean BBQ

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KORAN

Messiah

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/quranSearch.php?swaootw=messiah&st=regular&frm=0&swotw=&oicn=&csen=N&mww=N&swep=N&swaotw=&rpp=10&search=Search&slang=EN

Jesus

http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/quranSearch.php?swaootw=jesus&st=regular&frm=0&swotw=&oicn=&csen=N&mww=N&swep=N&swaotw=&rpp=10&search=Search&slang=EN

Mary
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/quranSearch.php?swaootw=mary&st=regular&frm=0&swotw=&oicn=&csen=N&mww=N&swep=N&swaotw=&rpp=10&search=Search&slang=EN

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Allah = God

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Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 : Verse 46

When the angels said, ‘O Mary, Allah gives thee glad tidings of a word from Him; his name shall be the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, honoured in this world and in the next, and of those who are granted nearness to God;

Al-Nisa' Chapter 4 : Verse 158

the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,

Al-Nisa' Chapter 4 : Verse 172

Verily, the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary,
a fulfilment of His word which He sent down to Mary,
and a mercy from Him.

Al-Nisa' Chapter 4 : Verse 173

Surely, the Messiah will never disdain to be a servant of Allah, nor will the angels near unto God

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 73

Messiah, son of Mary

the Messiah himself said, ‘O children of Israel, worship Allah Who is my Lord and your Lord.’

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 76

The Messiah, son of Mary

And his mother was a truthful woman.

See how We explain the Signs for their good

Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 88

And verily, We gave Moses the Book and caused after him Messengers to follow in his footsteps; and to Jesus, son of Mary, We gave manifest Signs, and strengthened him with the Spirit of holiness.

Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 137

Say ye: ‘We believe in Allah and what has been revealed to us, and what was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob and his children, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to all other Prophets from their Lord.

Al-Baqarah Chapter 2 : Verse 254

And We gave Jesus, son of Mary, clear proofs and strengthened him with the Spirit of holiness.

Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 : Verse 53

And when Jesus perceived their disbelief, he said, ‘Who will be my helpers in the cause of Allah?’ The disciples answered, ‘We are the helpers of Allah. We have believed in Allah. And bear thou witness that we are obedient.

Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 : Verse 56

When Allah said, ‘O Jesus,

until the Day of Resurrection;
shall be your return,

Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 : Verse 85

Say, ‘We believe in Allah and in that which has been revealed to us, and that which was revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Tribes, and that which was given to Moses and Jesus and other Prophets from their Lord.

Al-Nisa' Chapter 4 : Verse 160

on the Day of Resurrection, he (Jesus) shall be a witness

Al-Nisa' Chapter 4 : Verse 164

Surely, We have sent revelation to thee, as We sent revelation to Noah and the Prophets after him; and We sent revelation to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and his children and to Jesus and Job and Jonah and Aaron and Solomon, and We gave David a Book.

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 47

Jesus, son of Mary, to follow in their footsteps, fulfilling that which was revealed before him in the Torah;

the Gospel
contained guidance and light, fulfilling that which was revealed before it in the Torah, and a guidance and an admonition for the God-fearing.

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 79

Jesus, son of Mary

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 111

Jesus, son of Mary

with the Spirit of holiness

the Book and Wisdom and the Torah and the Gospel

thou didst heal the night-blind and the leprous

thou didst raise the dead

thou didst come to them with clear Signs

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 112

disciples of Jesus to believe

they said, ‘We believe and bear Thou witness that we have submitted.’

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 113

When the disciples said, ‘O Jesus, son of Mary, is thy Lord able to send down to us a table spread with food from heaven?’ he said, ‘Fear Allah, if you are believers.’

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 115

Said Jesus, son of Mary, ‘O Allah, our Lord, send down to us a table from heaven spread with food that it may be to us a festival, to the first of us and to the last of us, and a Sign from Thee; and provide sustenance for us, for Thou art the Best of sustainers.’

Al-Ma'idah Chapter 5 : Verse 117

Jesus, son of Mary

Al-An`am Chapter 6 : Verse 86

Zachariah and John and Jesus and Elias;
each one of them was of the virtuous.

Maryam Chapter 19 : Verse 35

Jesus, son of Mary

Maryam Chapter 19 : Verse 37

Said Jesus: ‘Surely, Allah is my Lord, and your Lord. So worship Him alone; this is the right path.’

Al-Ahzab Chapter 33 : Verse 8

And remember when We took from the Prophets their covenant, and from thee, and from Noah, and Abraham, and Moses, and Jesus, son of Mary, and We indeed took from them a solemn covenant;

Al-Shura Chapter 42 : Verse 14

He has prescribed for you the religion which He enjoined on Noah, and which We have revealed to thee, and which We enjoined on Abraham and Moses and Jesus, saying, ‘Remain steadfast in obedience, and be not divided therein.

Al-Zukhruf Chapter 43 : Verse 64

And when Jesus came with clear proofs, he said, ‘Truly I am come to you with wisdom, and to make clear to you some of that about which you differ. So fear Allah and obey me.

Al-Hadid Chapter 57 : Verse 28

Jesus, son of Mary

the Gospel

Al-Saff Chapter 61 : Verse 7

Jesus, son of Mary, said,
O children of Israel,
surely I am Allah’s Messenger unto you,
fulfilling that which is before me of the Torah,

he came to them with clear proofs

Al-Saff Chapter 61 : Verse 15

as said Jesus, son of Mary, to his disciples, ‘Who are my helpers in the cause of Allah.’ The disciples said, ‘We are helpers of Allah.’ So a party of the children of Israel believed, while a party disbelieved.

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Jesus=Messiah

First of All
Jesus=Messiah

My Impression

Mormon

Origen

Ancient Bedouin

Inconsistent reference and use of OT/NT

without full knowledge and access to the Bible

more of a commentary

like ancient semitic desert culture
like ancient Hebrews
desert bedouin

in the course of God history,
not a progress

more of a lateral

OT-NT there is progression and advancement

chinese imitation

driven by anti-jew motivations ?

Political

Theocracy

Country Preacher

600 AD ( 1400 years ago )

Muslim is Not anti Jesus

Koran
Jesus=Messiah

only one modern Religion is a JC
anti-thesis
oppositional
north pole - south pole

Hammurabi

maybe designed to reconcile all the regional religion

Muslim is technically a different Faith - Christianity / Jew

different Faith - Christianity / Jew

Judeo-Christianity = Nonsense = Black-White = Wet-Dry = Bad-Good

Here is a major inconsistency

Fact :
Belief in sacred books - These include the Torah, the Psalms, the Gospel, and the Quran.

Question:
How do you reconcile Quran's Contradictions and Inconsistencies vs Bible.

Fact :
Belief in sacred books - These include the Torah, the Psalms, the Gospel, and the Quran.

OT and NT = Bible are Consistent with each other

But Quran dispute, conflicts, and contradicts the OT/NT

Negates the overall validity.

If you believe in Jesus,
then how can you dispute the major things the Jesus said.

Inconsistent

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http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/etc/what.html

BASIC BELIEFS OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH

Muslims share certain beliefs, including:

The oneness of God (Allah)

Belief in sacred books - These include the Torah, the Psalms, the Gospel, and the Quran.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_in_Islam

https://carm.org/what-does-islam-and-quran-say-about-jesus

http://www.islam-guide.com/ch3-10.htm

http://www.everystudent.com/wires/jesusislam.html

http://islam.uga.edu/jesusdif.html

http://www.islam-101.org

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/31/jesus-in-islam-part-1/

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/adrianwarnock/2012/05/things-christians-and-muslims-disagree-about-over-jesus/

http://www1.cbn.com/onlinediscipleship/what-do-muslims-believe-about-jesus%3F

http://www.questionsaboutislam.com/bible-christianity/islam-teachings-jesus.php

http://www.whyislam.org/submission/prophethood-in-islam/jesus-peace-be-upon-him/what-do-muslims-think-about-jesus-pbuh/

http://www.christiananswers.net/q-aiia/islam-cross.html

https://carm.org/what-does-islam-and-quran-say-about-jesus

http://islam.about.com/cs/jesus/f/jesus_quran.htm

https://islamcode.com/WhoWasJesus.html

http://www.jesus-islam.org/Pages/default.aspx

GOSPEL
http://www.alislam.org/quran/search2/quranSearch.php?swaootw=gospel&st=regular&frm=0&swotw=&oicn=&csen=N&mww=N&swep=N&swaotw=&rpp=10&search=Search&slang=EN

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How to start the conversation

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/muslims/etc/what.html

(1)
BASIC BELIEFS OF THE ISLAMIC FAITH

Muslims share certain beliefs, including:

The oneness of God (Allah)

Belief in sacred books - These include the Torah, the Psalms, the Gospel, and the Quran.

Belief in God's prophets - Muslims believe that Allah's message was given to numerous prophets, including Noah, Abraham, Moses, Elijah, and Jesus, and other prophets common to Christianity and Judaism, as well as Muhammad.

(2)
KORAN
Jesus = Messiah

(3)
Allah = God of Abraham, Moses, Christians = Same God

If they agree to (1) and (2) and (3)
then it forces only one answer =
Jesus Christ = Alpha and Omega

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3

God
Jesus=Messiah
Bible

Only One Logical Answer = Jesus Christ

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Only One Logical Answer = Jesus Christ

OT / NT

OT messianic prophecies

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ProphetS

Greatest Prophets In Islam

http://www.thetoptens.com/greatest-prophets-islam/

The 25 Prophets mentioned in the Quran are:

http://islam4muslims.weebly.com/nabi-and-rasul-prophets-and-messengers.html

Prophets in Islam

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prophets_and_messengers_in_Islam

Adam

Noah

Abraham

Isaac

Jacob

Joseph

Job

Ezekiel

Moses

Aaron

David

Solomon

Elijah

Elisha

Zechariah

John

Jesus

Names of the 26 Prophets Mentioned in the Qur'an

http://www.understanding-islam.com/q-and-a/islamic-beliefs/names-of-the-26-prophets-mentioned-in-the-qur-an-5189

http://www.iqra.net/articles/muslims/prophets.php

http://islam.about.com/od/prophets/p/prophets.htm

http://www.islamreligion.com/articles/10228/prophets-of-quran/

http://www.whyislam.org/submission/articles-of-faith/belief-in-prophets-2/

http://www.qul.org.au/library/our-messengers/1-25-prophets-of-islam

https://quizlet.com/10942143/the-25-prophets-of-islam-flash-cards/

http://www.islamawareness.net/Prophets/

http://www.religionfacts.com/prophets/islam

http://www.questionsaboutislam.com/bible-christianity/islam-prophets-bible.php

http://www.gainpeace.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=75:islam-the-religion-of-all-prophets&catid=34:what-is-islam&Itemid=107

http://islamiclearningmaterials.com/prophets-in-islam/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBcA2IaZyNg

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mlLZKUuc2jk

http://www.newstatesman.com/religion/2009/12/jesus-islam-muslims-prophet

http://www.jesus-islam.org/Pages/default.aspx

http://www.britannica.com/biography/Muhammad

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Major Religious Groups

http://www.pbslearningmedia.org/resource/sj14-soc-religmap/world-religions-map/

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2012/12/01_groups.png

http://www.pewforum.org/files/2014/04/religious-diversity-4.png

http://www.readthespirit.com/explore/wp-content/uploads/sites/16/2013/03/wpid-2012_Pew_Forum_Global_Religious_Landscape_2012.jpg

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religious_populations

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_religious_groups

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http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Sources/cradle.html

Abstract

Muhammad used several sources as information for his recital of the Qur'an. One of these sources were the fables of the Christians living in and nearby Arabia at that time. This paper describes two of the Christian fables Muhammad recited into the Qur'an.
Introduction

Muhammad had interaction with Christians. Khadija, his first wife, had a cousin named Waraqa, who was a Christian (Sirat Rasul Allah, p. 83, Guillaume's translation). He also was known to have spoken with Christians earlier on in his life during his travels with the caravans. Later, he was given a Christian slave girl as a present. This was Mary, the Egyptian Copt. She became his concubine. After she gave birth to a male child, he married her. No doubt he learned about some facts of Christianity from Mary as well. Further south of Medina, these was the Christian village of Najran. These people also had some dealings with Muhammad.

From these people Muhammad could have learned about Christianity and the Christian fables that circulated in the land.

In various places, the Qur'an mentions stories that are similar to those found in the NT. People and names are repeated, and some similarites exist between the NT and Qur'an. And as one would expect a story to change when it is told to and then repeated second or third hand, so too the Qur'anic versions of the stories differ from those that were earlier documented.

These Qur'anic stories are typical of those one would expect to find in the record of a man relying exclusively on hearsay and secondary sources because Muhammad could not read the books from which the Christians used.

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Muhammad 600 AD

There are multitude of Christians and Non-Christian Source
Before 600 AD

look at Origen,
and Heretical Writings which came before

internal bs monitor compass

There are large macro-scopic global inconsistencies

Inconsistent is a key word

Flat Earth theory
may sound ok for a while
but inconsistencies become apparent
things cannot be explained
it is like being on a flat earth with a dome

Imagine if Origen or another Heretic gained traction.

Hindu Billion

http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2004/june/7.26.html

https://newrepublic.com/article/107506/top-three-heresies-gnostic-gospels

https://carm.org/does-the-gospel-of-thomas-belong-in-the-new-testament

https://carm.org/myths-about-lost-books-of-new-testament

QK is in this category

look at historical context

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/religion/story/pagels.html

consider the region geography

Antioch and Greece up North were the hot bed of early Christianity

http://www.nytimes.com/2003/06/14/books/the-heresy-that-saved-a-skeptic.html?pagewanted=all

Now, Ms. Pagels says, she has found the answer to her quest by writing a book, ''Beyond Belief: The Secret Gospel of Thomas.'' It is a study of one of the Gnostic gospels, early Christian texts written around the time of the New Testament and regarded as heretical. Ms. Pagels's book, clearly written, lyrical but deeply scholarly, is a surprise hit. Out just a month, it is moving up the best-seller list, and Random House has had to reprint it three times, with 108,000 copies now in print.

fr dmj

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/earlysaw.html

Historicity

German Professor
http://www.wsj.com/articles/SB122669909279629451

http://www.trykkefrihed.dk/blog/335/The-historicity-of-Muhammad-Aisha-and-who-knows-who-else.htm

https://www.opendemocracy.net/faith-europe_islam/mohammed_3866.jsp

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Muhammad

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Christian_views_on_Muhammad

http://www.islamic-awareness.org/History/Islam/Inscriptions/earlysaw.html

http://www.pbs.org/muhammad/ma_otherrel.shtml

http://www.equip.org/article/muhammad-messiah-comparing-central-figures-islam-christianity/

http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1497/muhammad_man_or_myth.aspx

Truth = Jesus

http://www.equip.org/article/muhammad-messiah-comparing-central-figures-islam-christianity/

Flat Earth = gives me a headache, makes me nauseated

emotional

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10424a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08692a.htm

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08190a.htm

Comparison
http://www.equip.org/article/muhammad-messiah-comparing-central-figures-islam-christianity/

Global Macro Inconsistencies

Micro also

Jews - active ignorance, ignoring, denial

different things

http://www.equip.org/article/muhammad-messiah-comparing-central-figures-islam-christianity/

THE ISLAMIC DILEMMA

There is a final difference between Jesus and Muhammad that we haven’t considered—namely, that one of these men confirmed the message of the other. As we have seen, the Qur’an calls Jesus a “Messenger” of God, and Muslims are therefore required to honor Jesus’ teachings. But since the Gospels obviously support the Christian view of Jesus, Muslims who want to deny Jesus’ deity, death, and resurrection must say that the Gospels have been corrupted. And here Muslims face perhaps their greatest difficulty.
The Qur’an affirms the inspiration of the Christian scriptures (see 3:3–4, 7:157, 10:94, etc.). It also commands Christians to judge by what we read in the gospel (5:47), which makes no sense if the gospel has been significantly altered. Indeed, the Qur’an declares that we have “no ground to stand upon” if we do not adhere to the Torah and the gospel (5:68, Ali). Contrary to Muslim charges of corruption, the Qur’an claims that no one is capable of corrupting God’s Word (6:114–115, 18:27). Thus, a dilemma rises to the surface. If the Gospels are reliable, Muhammad cannot be a prophet, because the Gospels contradict Muhammad’s teachings. Alternatively, if the Gospels are unreliable, Muhammad cannot be a prophet, because Muhammad proclaimed the inspiration, preservation, and authority of the Christian scriptures. Either way, Muhammad cannot be a prophet.

ASSESSMENT

that Muhammad’s teachings self-destruct. This should cause any sincere, truth-seeking

http://www.equip.org/article/muhammad-messiah-comparing-central-figures-islam-christianity/

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http://jamalbadawi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63:414-muslim-beliefs-books-of-allah&catid=16:volume-4-muslim-beliefs&Itemid=17

Host: Does the Quran mention any Holy Books that were revealed before by name specifically?

Jamal Badawi:
There are four that have been specifically mentioned in the Quran by name. These include first the Scrolls of Abraham in (87:19) and (53:37), the Psalms of David in (17:55) and (4:163), the Torah given to Moses and is praised as giving guidance and light in (5:47) and (6:91) and the Evangel/Gospel (Ingeal in Arabic) given to Prophet Jesus (PBUH) appears in (5:4). These are of course in addition to the last revelation and that is the Quran. The Quran acknowledge previous revelation as these four are particularly mentioned.

An example of the mention of a Holy Book can be found in (3:1-3) “A.L.M. Allah. There is no god but He,-the Living, the Self-Subsisting, Eternal. It is He who sent down to thee (step by step), the truth, the Book, confirming what went before it; and He sent down the Law (of Moses) and the Gospel (of Jesus) before this, as a guide to mankind, and He sent down the criterion (of judgment between right and wrong).” In the very same verse in the Quran there is mention of three of the major scriptures the Torah, the Gospel and the Quran given to Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).

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http://www.neurology-asia.org/articles/20043_059.pdf

The Holy Book bestowed upon Prophet
Muhammad is The Holy Quran

Holy Quran
provides general
guidelines/orders for everyday life, refers to the
prophets before the Prophet Muhammad (p.b.u.h),
and refers to a number of varied subjects like
mathematics, biology, human embryology,
geology, oceanography, astrology, physics,
chemistry, sociology, judiciary, philosophy and
many others.

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Mutah Muta

http://www.shiapen.com/comprehensive/mutah/quranic-evidences.html

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Muslim Beliefs - Books of Allah

Dr Jamal Badawi

http://jamalbadawi.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=63:414-muslim-beliefs-books-of-allah&catid=16:volume-4-muslim-beliefs&Itemid=17

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EVIDENCE HISTORICAL JESUS

http://www.bethinking.org/jesus/ancient-evidence-for-jesus-from-non-christian-sources

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HarvardHouse.com

When did Jesus ascend to Heaven?

http://www.harvardhouse.com/jesus_ascent.htm

Searching for the Muslim Christ